Comments on: What if American forces attack us? http://www.chowrangi.com/what-if-american-forces-attack-us.html Pakistan Politics, Current Affairs, Business and Lifestyle Thu, 20 Nov 2008 08:46:31 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0 by: Kashif H http://www.chowrangi.com/what-if-american-forces-attack-us.html#comment-213194 Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:51:29 +0000 http://www.chowrangi.com/what-if-american-forces-attack-us.html#comment-213194 Only if the leadership presented true sentiment of people we would have been in a better position to face enemy and to receive friends. I think we as a nation should also selfishly safeguard our interests as all our leaders do while taking turns. I think enough is enough for that 2.000 or top 10,000 folks in Pakistan who think their DAD gave Pakistan to them and we all are their slaves. Now they can loot and plunder and side with the enemy for their own good and for their own posterity to establish rule over us. We the nation of Pakistan is not afraid of an American attack maybe the ruling classes are since in time of occupation (if ever) who shall they rule??? Only if the leadership presented true sentiment of people we would have been in a better position to face enemy and to receive friends. I think we as a nation should also selfishly safeguard our interests as all our leaders do while taking turns. I think enough is enough for that 2.000 or top 10,000 folks in Pakistan who think their DAD gave Pakistan to them and we all are their slaves. Now they can loot and plunder and side with the enemy for their own good and for their own posterity to establish rule over us. We the nation of Pakistan is not afraid of an American attack maybe the ruling classes are since in time of occupation (if ever) who shall they rule???

]]> by: Gen. Ayub Khan http://www.chowrangi.com/what-if-american-forces-attack-us.html#comment-213173 Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:03:04 +0000 http://www.chowrangi.com/what-if-american-forces-attack-us.html#comment-213173 whatever man......the puppet policies of Mr. 10% have no bearing on our society we are a nation of 170 million people --- we can be very hospitable and warm ---but we are also a country that is awash with lots of assortment of weapons. America lost in iraq and afghanistan...so how in hell they could attack us?? especially now when anti american sentiment is so high the policies of Mr 10% have no bearing on me or my dignity and honour. I am ready to die for my country. This isnt about Islam or anything else. This is about my country. if any of these yankee shits are reading this, then they should know that i am warning them not to push me or my people. Because i will make sure that the dead body of my enemy (whoever it may be) will never be found in one piece. like i said --we are warm people. But mess with us and we can be barbarians. be more nationalistic and give back to Pakistan. Dont lose hope and cry. BE A MAN!!!! Ours is a beautiful country with everything we could ever need. Make the most of Pakistan, dont abuse it. Love your neigbours and work hard. and be sure that no enemy will ever step their foot in Pakistan without getting shot in the face. Those who dont fear death dont die in war. whatever man……the puppet policies of Mr. 10% have no bearing on our society

we are a nation of 170 million people — we can be very hospitable and warm —but we are also a country that is awash with lots of assortment of weapons.

America lost in iraq and afghanistan…so how in hell they could attack us?? especially now when anti american sentiment is so high

the policies of Mr 10% have no bearing on me or my dignity and honour. I am ready to die for my country. This isnt about Islam or anything else. This is about my country.

if any of these yankee shits are reading this, then they should know that i am warning them not to push me or my people. Because i will make sure that the dead body of my enemy (whoever it may be) will never be found in one piece.

like i said –we are warm people. But mess with us and we can be barbarians.

be more nationalistic and give back to Pakistan. Dont lose hope and cry. BE A MAN!!!! Ours is a beautiful country with everything we could ever need. Make the most of Pakistan, dont abuse it. Love your neigbours and work hard.

and be sure that no enemy will ever step their foot in Pakistan without getting shot in the face.

Those who dont fear death dont die in war.

]]> by: Asif http://www.chowrangi.com/what-if-american-forces-attack-us.html#comment-213167 Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:26:08 +0000 http://www.chowrangi.com/what-if-american-forces-attack-us.html#comment-213167 "If"? America is already attacking Pakistan. And what Pakistan "can" do? "Please America, don't attack us". Pakistan has maligned the name of Islam by begging at the boots of white skinners. “If”? America is already attacking Pakistan. And what Pakistan “can” do? “Please America, don’t attack us”. Pakistan has maligned the name of Islam by begging at the boots of white skinners.

]]> by: Sheyryar Sayyad Ul-Jaffary http://www.chowrangi.com/what-if-american-forces-attack-us.html#comment-208735 Fri, 31 Oct 2008 11:39:38 +0000 http://www.chowrangi.com/what-if-american-forces-attack-us.html#comment-208735 lol @ this yank......it is the yanks who are getting humiliated and have now lost 2 wars within 8 years. america now in recession, so it looks like you ''crackers'' are the ones who will die --symbolically and physically even. kill yourselves and spare yourself the humiliation. Americans never had a culture or sophistication to begin with. Rahul --- your post is stupid india couldnt even hurt a fly in Pakistan. Despite being 7 times larger, they could never conquer Pakistan. indian are jealous of us because of the beauty of our country and its people. sorry buddy...you'll have to live with your starving/AIDS infected cow worshipper population. salaam lol @ this yank……it is the yanks who are getting humiliated and have now lost 2 wars within 8 years.

america now in recession, so it looks like you ‘’crackers'’ are the ones who will die –symbolically and physically even.

kill yourselves and spare yourself the humiliation. Americans never had a culture or sophistication to begin with.

Rahul — your post is stupid india couldnt even hurt a fly in Pakistan. Despite being 7 times larger, they could never conquer Pakistan. indian are jealous of us because of the beauty of our country and its people.

sorry buddy…you’ll have to live with your starving/AIDS infected cow worshipper population.

salaam

]]> by: Ice Awan http://www.chowrangi.com/what-if-american-forces-attack-us.html#comment-208723 Fri, 31 Oct 2008 09:42:31 +0000 http://www.chowrangi.com/what-if-american-forces-attack-us.html#comment-208723 Interesting comments. Specially Rahul. First let me tackle the exaggerated account of your statement. It is easy to talk about nuclear attacks on one country as if it is like tossing tennis balls across the net. :D. The problem is not with you people, it is basically the lack of understanding on the subject. No offense, but one must be well conversant with the Protocol of Use of Nuclear Weapons of any nation before striking such assumptions. The sheer magnitude of destruction of a nuclear attack is enough to break the back of any nation, even a super power and cripple their will to fight any further, now now!!! hear me out before you go on a spree of blasphemous slogans against me. In case of any country using the nuclear weapon, the resultant large scale destruction plays a major contributing factor, what is more devastating is the effect of such an attack on the morale of a nation. We all very pragmatically need to understand that a soldier dying on the battle field, by any mean, may not be considered as an adverse factor, rather it further strengthens the morale of a nation. But if the same fate is met by the civilians, the effects are rather different. With every new blow to the civilian population, the morale sinks further down to a new level. It is a subconscious understanding that if the civil population of the country is being targeted, then the armed forces are failing and is not able to defend the country any further. It may not be true on ground, but the fear factor of war plays tricks on the minds and the idea germinates and nourishes within a matter of few strikes on civil population. This all being true for conventional bombing strikes, where a few hundred civilians die. What if the civilian death toll ends up in a million, let us presume for discussion’s sake; a million, just imagine how devastating a blow would that be to the overall spirit of the nation. Let us never forget, it is not the army that fights a war, it is a nation that goes to war. And only spirited nations go to war. Now coming over to the scenario where a Pakistan does exercise the use of nuclear weapons against India. What would be the likely targets? When two nuclear countries go to war, and further decide to exercise the nuclear option, their first and the foremost option would be to strike the adversaries nuclear installations and known launch sites in order to reduce the chances of second strike. If that be the case, then the country opting for first strike obviously at an advantage. The advantage of using fully intact nuclear resources. The advantage of carrying out multiple strikes, both at tactical and strategic level. It takes more than just strong statements by any country struck by a couple of nuclear weapons to come out of the shock and reply in the same coin. The crippled command and communication infrastructure poses a major problem for the attacked to overcome and then get their act together. If Pakistan ever chooses to use the nuclear weapons against its adversaries, it is very unlikely that they will only attack one odd city and then wait for the adversary to come back at them. The use of nuclear option will be done simultaneously. As mentioned earlier, the targets will be known launch sites, major communication centers and nuclear installations. The interesting fact to be considered here is that, Pakistan retains the first strike option. It has never denounced the possibility of using nuclear weapons against its adversary, even if threatened at strategic or even tactical level. The use of tactical nuclear weapons against armed forces only is again leading possibility. Tactical nuclear weapon is otherwise not such a farfetched idea. Instead of dropping a couple of thousand bombs in an area, you just drop one, with suitable yield. The result is mostly the same, only difference that the area is rendered contaminated for a couple of years:P Afterall, we did not make these WMDs to show off only. Often a question is asked as to what Pakistan’s threshold to go nuclear. That threshold my dear friend has never been publically defined; Obviously for security reasons. How the Indians would like to know that. For all that the Indian planners know, it could be the moment the Indian forces cross the international border. They are not sure. This factor was major contributing factor because of which the Indian Defence Planners were forced to change the entire defence doctrine of Indian army. They have now brought their offensive plans down to a limited war scenario, commonly termed as COLD START DOCTRINE, with the hope that by keeping it limited to a certain area, they will be able to get their aims, and still not corner Pakistan enough to exercise the nuclear option. The effect of first strike option retained by Pakistan has forced the Indians to re think their defence doctrine. This my friend Rahul is the power of a nuclear weapon, if used first. The interesting fact here is that the Indians will be making a big gamble, since they still are not sure where the bullet is, the moment they pull the trigger:D:D That if happens, will be the EXTREME RUSSIAN ROULETTE. Anyways, Let us always pray that such a situation may never arise where such options are even brought under discussion. War may sound glorious and heroic, but to be a part of it is not such a pretty picture. Nevertheless, to be nuclear attacked and then come out of it to reply back, I sincerely assure you is not something that can be claimed and claimed only with replies that WE ARE BIG, WE WILL BE HURT, BUT WE WILL WIPE YOU OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH. That my dear will never happen. God this is a long reply…… thanks for the patient reading Interesting comments. Specially Rahul. First let me tackle the exaggerated account of your statement. It is easy to talk about nuclear attacks on one country as if it is like tossing tennis balls across the net. :D . The problem is not with you people, it is basically the lack of understanding on the subject. No offense, but one must be well conversant with the Protocol of Use of Nuclear Weapons of any nation before striking such assumptions.
The sheer magnitude of destruction of a nuclear attack is enough to break the back of any nation, even a super power and cripple their will to fight any further, now now!!! hear me out before you go on a spree of blasphemous slogans against me.
In case of any country using the nuclear weapon, the resultant large scale destruction plays a major contributing factor, what is more devastating is the effect of such an attack on the morale of a nation. We all very pragmatically need to understand that a soldier dying on the battle field, by any mean, may not be considered as an adverse factor, rather it further strengthens the morale of a nation. But if the same fate is met by the civilians, the effects are rather different. With every new blow to the civilian population, the morale sinks further down to a new level. It is a subconscious understanding that if the civil population of the country is being targeted, then the armed forces are failing and is not able to defend the country any further. It may not be true on ground, but the fear factor of war plays tricks on the minds and the idea germinates and nourishes within a matter of few strikes on civil population. This all being true for conventional bombing strikes, where a few hundred civilians die.
What if the civilian death toll ends up in a million, let us presume for discussion’s sake; a million, just imagine how devastating a blow would that be to the overall spirit of the nation. Let us never forget, it is not the army that fights a war, it is a nation that goes to war. And only spirited nations go to war.
Now coming over to the scenario where a Pakistan does exercise the use of nuclear weapons against India. What would be the likely targets? When two nuclear countries go to war, and further decide to exercise the nuclear option, their first and the foremost option would be to strike the adversaries nuclear installations and known launch sites in order to reduce the chances of second strike. If that be the case, then the country opting for first strike obviously at an advantage. The advantage of using fully intact nuclear resources. The advantage of carrying out multiple strikes, both at tactical and strategic level. It takes more than just strong statements by any country struck by a couple of nuclear weapons to come out of the shock and reply in the same coin. The crippled command and communication infrastructure poses a major problem for the attacked to overcome and then get their act together.
If Pakistan ever chooses to use the nuclear weapons against its adversaries, it is very unlikely that they will only attack one odd city and then wait for the adversary to come back at them. The use of nuclear option will be done simultaneously. As mentioned earlier, the targets will be known launch sites, major communication centers and nuclear installations.
The interesting fact to be considered here is that, Pakistan retains the first strike option. It has never denounced the possibility of using nuclear weapons against its adversary, even if threatened at strategic or even tactical level. The use of tactical nuclear weapons against armed forces only is again leading possibility.
Tactical nuclear weapon is otherwise not such a farfetched idea. Instead of dropping a couple of thousand bombs in an area, you just drop one, with suitable yield. The result is mostly the same, only difference that the area is rendered contaminated for a couple of years:P
Afterall, we did not make these WMDs to show off only. Often a question is asked as to what Pakistan’s threshold to go nuclear. That threshold my dear friend has never been publically defined; Obviously for security reasons. How the Indians would like to know that. For all that the Indian planners know, it could be the moment the Indian forces cross the international border. They are not sure.
This factor was major contributing factor because of which the Indian Defence Planners were forced to change the entire defence doctrine of Indian army. They have now brought their offensive plans down to a limited war scenario, commonly termed as COLD START DOCTRINE, with the hope that by keeping it limited to a certain area, they will be able to get their aims, and still not corner Pakistan enough to exercise the nuclear option. The effect of first strike option retained by Pakistan has forced the Indians to re think their defence doctrine. This my friend Rahul is the power of a nuclear weapon, if used first. The interesting fact here is that the Indians will be making a big gamble, since they still are not sure where the bullet is, the moment they pull the trigger:D:D That if happens, will be the EXTREME RUSSIAN ROULETTE.
Anyways, Let us always pray that such a situation may never arise where such options are even brought under discussion. War may sound glorious and heroic, but to be a part of it is not such a pretty picture. Nevertheless, to be nuclear attacked and then come out of it to reply back, I sincerely assure you is not something that can be claimed and claimed only with replies that WE ARE BIG, WE WILL BE HURT, BUT WE WILL WIPE YOU OFF THE FACE OF THE EARTH. That my dear will never happen.
God this is a long reply…… thanks for the patient reading

]]> by: Rizwan http://www.chowrangi.com/what-if-american-forces-attack-us.html#comment-208391 Thu, 30 Oct 2008 06:46:14 +0000 http://www.chowrangi.com/what-if-american-forces-attack-us.html#comment-208391 dir sir your killing is our honour coz we all muslims wish to die in the way of truth for our Allah. and Dear Rahul. we muslim does not fear to the death as on bed or on the ground and being muslim we havn't any wish to luxuries and the beauties of the world. it is just for time bieng. Mr Rahul as muslim history we believe on Allah's promises. we have many examples but I wish to give you 1 ex: 1400 yrs ago When the muslims and romans are infront of each other, the muslim was 40,000 and roman are 1,000,000 (10 lacs) with iron dresses. the roman on home ground with ford and food supply. the latest ammunation and equipment, thousand of horses, camels and elephants, fire bow and arrow. other side of muslim 100's of horses,5,000 km far from makkah, no food supply line, they cover their swords with clothes, just 1 muslim as 25 romans for fight. how can u imagine my brother? the muslim had won the war. is it possible. in 20th century what abt the afghan war. how can 40,000 muslim soldier defeated the 7 lac soviet army, and last 8 years just 20,000 muslim fight against nato forces with huge ammonations and war planes :). it is all indicators for truth, we do not want to fight with innocent peoples no wish to detryoed the nations. what ant the muslim rule on india aprox. 900 yrs. if the muslims wish and force to convert each hindu par day, so 900*365 days enough but we won't. we just want peace on our terms of Islam. dir sir your killing is our honour coz we all muslims wish to die in the way of truth for our Allah.

and Dear Rahul. we muslim does not fear to the death as on bed or on the ground and being muslim we havn’t any wish to luxuries and the beauties of the world. it is just for time bieng.

Mr Rahul as muslim history we believe on Allah’s promises.
we have many examples but I wish to give you 1 ex:

1400 yrs ago When the muslims and romans are infront of each other, the muslim was 40,000 and roman are 1,000,000 (10 lacs) with iron dresses. the roman on home ground with ford and food supply. the latest ammunation and equipment, thousand of horses, camels and elephants, fire bow and arrow.

other side of muslim 100’s of horses,5,000 km far from makkah, no food supply line, they cover their swords with clothes, just 1 muslim as 25 romans for fight.

how can u imagine my brother? the muslim had won the war. is it possible.

in 20th century what abt the afghan war. how can 40,000 muslim soldier defeated the 7 lac soviet army, and last 8 years just 20,000 muslim fight against nato forces with huge ammonations and war planes :) .

it is all indicators for truth, we do not want to fight with innocent peoples no wish to detryoed the nations.

what ant the muslim rule on india aprox. 900 yrs. if the muslims wish and force to convert each hindu par day, so 900*365 days enough but we won’t. we just want peace on our terms of Islam.

]]> by: we will kill you all http://www.chowrangi.com/what-if-american-forces-attack-us.html#comment-208236 Wed, 29 Oct 2008 18:38:42 +0000 http://www.chowrangi.com/what-if-american-forces-attack-us.html#comment-208236 America will kill all you sandniggers sooner or later it is only a matter of time. You will end up like all the other little faggots. DIE BITCH,DIE!!!!! America will kill all you sandniggers sooner or later it is only a matter of time. You will end up like all the other little faggots. DIE BITCH,DIE!!!!!

]]> by: Rizwan http://www.chowrangi.com/what-if-american-forces-attack-us.html#comment-207319 Sat, 25 Oct 2008 04:14:44 +0000 http://www.chowrangi.com/what-if-american-forces-attack-us.html#comment-207319 Dear since last 1400 yrs the all non-muslims and polytheist are laughing us :). but we are muslim and blind faith on Allah and Allah has promised to us for Decisive victory and we havn;t any doubt on his promise and "Sahadat" is our honorary. Dear

since last 1400 yrs the all non-muslims and polytheist are laughing us :) .

but we are muslim and blind faith on Allah and Allah has promised to us for Decisive victory and we havn;t any doubt on his promise and “Sahadat” is our honorary.

]]> by: Rahul http://www.chowrangi.com/what-if-american-forces-attack-us.html#comment-207156 Fri, 24 Oct 2008 17:25:31 +0000 http://www.chowrangi.com/what-if-american-forces-attack-us.html#comment-207156 Hey whoever has written this article is not aware abt the reality... If at all india is attacked with nuclear arsenal..... ok some cities of india will be destroyed but wht abt pakistan....JUST IMAGINE.... The INDIANS will not even leave a single small city of pakistan undestroyed...i.e u will be in a HELL worst then wht u might have imagined..!!! Hey whoever has written this article is not aware abt the reality…
If at all india is attacked with nuclear arsenal…..
ok some cities of india will be destroyed but wht abt pakistan….JUST IMAGINE….
The INDIANS will not even leave a single small city of pakistan undestroyed…i.e u will be in a HELL worst then wht u might have imagined..!!!

]]> by: a bangladeshi http://www.chowrangi.com/what-if-american-forces-attack-us.html#comment-207135 Fri, 24 Oct 2008 15:12:15 +0000 http://www.chowrangi.com/what-if-american-forces-attack-us.html#comment-207135 LOL. i am a BANGLADESHI. just laughing at your comments, my neighbors............... LOL.

i am a BANGLADESHI.

just laughing at your comments, my neighbors……………

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