Comments on: What if American forces attack us? http://www.chowrangi.com/what-if-american-forces-attack-us.html Pakistan Politics, Current Affairs, Business and Lifestyle Tue, 16 Mar 2010 07:34:10 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0 by: shams http://www.chowrangi.com/what-if-american-forces-attack-us.html#comment-344786 Fri, 29 Jan 2010 23:39:17 +0000 http://www.chowrangi.com/what-if-american-forces-attack-us.html#comment-344786 Referring to what can we do if America attacks pakistan. What do we have to resist america or any other country from attacking pakistan, we have only one hope which is our neuclear weapon but trust me you need guts to use those nuclear weapon and none of the pakistanis have those guts. It is 100% confirmed that America will attack pakistan well they already have, funny thing is that we still think that China and Iran will help Pakistan, when the time will come none of the countries will help Pakistan. Infact people of Pakistan will be sitting in their houses watchin hollywood and bollywood movies. I am saying this as it proved in the history otherwise no one had guts to overcome subcontinents it was muslims who betrayed their King and their country. Just watch on youtube "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BE-OAFZ84q8&feature=related" and see yourself how secure pakistan is. Referring to what can we do if America attacks pakistan. What do we have to resist america or any other country from attacking pakistan, we have only one hope which is our neuclear weapon but trust me you need guts to use those nuclear weapon and none of the pakistanis have those guts. It is 100% confirmed that America will attack pakistan well they already have, funny thing is that we still think that China and Iran will help Pakistan, when the time will come none of the countries will help Pakistan. Infact people of Pakistan will be sitting in their houses watchin hollywood and bollywood movies. I am saying this as it proved in the history otherwise no one had guts to overcome subcontinents it was muslims who betrayed their King and their country. Just watch on youtube
“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BE-OAFZ84q8&feature=related” and see yourself how secure pakistan is.

]]> by: Muhammad Zubair http://www.chowrangi.com/what-if-american-forces-attack-us.html#comment-297438 Tue, 29 Sep 2009 05:09:25 +0000 http://www.chowrangi.com/what-if-american-forces-attack-us.html#comment-297438 First of all American will attack sooner are later... thats a fact and we, the people of Pakistan, will fight till death. and the only solution for India is to divide it into small 20 25 countries for peace in the region... First of all American will attack sooner are later… thats a fact and we, the people of Pakistan, will fight till death. and the only solution for India is to divide it into small 20 25 countries for peace in the region…

]]> by: Lt. General Ayub Khan http://www.chowrangi.com/what-if-american-forces-attack-us.html#comment-241530 Wed, 25 Mar 2009 14:24:40 +0000 http://www.chowrangi.com/what-if-american-forces-attack-us.html#comment-241530 Dorood-o-Selom, dostum.... I agree with u 1000%. The environment of mistrust and mutually-shared miscomprehension for one-another is a cause for these clashes. I believe in the alliance of civilizations, i dont believe in clash of civilizations. I have been raised to live & let live. War and animosity are horrible things. But this side of the world has always been unstable. Its a resource-rich and culturally-rich area. We should build on that. I believe in nation-building and alliance-building. The biggest enemy to humanity is ignorance, poverty and voicelessness. I very small portion of the world supports zionism. Except, that portion has the cash, media and influence. If we unite, we can crush this phenonmenon called zionism. Orthodox judaism sees zionism as a racist, intolerant and ill-legitimate nationalist movement based on no moral or legal grounds. Zionism is terrorism but we can discuss that another time. You are Iranian. You are our neighbour. Lets work together, We have pipeline deal, and new Istanbul-Tehran-Islamabad Railways project. Lets keep expanding our economic ties and cultural exchange. Khoda Hafiz. Dorood-o-Selom, dostum….

I agree with u 1000%. The environment of mistrust and mutually-shared miscomprehension for one-another is a cause for these clashes.

I believe in the alliance of civilizations, i dont believe in clash of civilizations. I have been raised to live & let live. War and animosity are horrible things.

But this side of the world has always been unstable. Its a resource-rich and culturally-rich area. We should build on that.

I believe in nation-building and alliance-building. The biggest enemy to humanity is ignorance, poverty and voicelessness.

I very small portion of the world supports zionism. Except, that portion has the cash, media and influence. If we unite, we can crush this phenonmenon called zionism.

Orthodox judaism sees zionism as a racist, intolerant and ill-legitimate nationalist movement based on no moral or legal grounds. Zionism is terrorism

but we can discuss that another time.

You are Iranian. You are our neighbour. Lets work together, We have pipeline deal, and new Istanbul-Tehran-Islamabad Railways project. Lets keep expanding our economic ties and cultural exchange.

Khoda Hafiz.

]]> by: Hormazd http://www.chowrangi.com/what-if-american-forces-attack-us.html#comment-241517 Wed, 25 Mar 2009 13:37:56 +0000 http://www.chowrangi.com/what-if-american-forces-attack-us.html#comment-241517 I am supporter of region cooperation because for long we depend on western power. Our fighting is giving them business. Misleading western reports and propaganda is used to start suspicion between contries. Let us not quote them selectively and be manipulated by them. Iran has many problems huge problems it is not that we agree to everything our leaders say or do and some thing here are unnatural to our ancient culture but you people think of Iran you can choose what perspective you want depending on you like Iran or not. Same is true of any country like India and Pakistan, it depends what perspective you choose to build your friendship on. We dont hate jew we hate zionism. You wil be surprised that Iranian dont even hate American people but just policy of their leaders and we dont see them as permanent enemy. They also hate us because of many misunderstanding and some thing which we have done. I cant claim that Iran behaved like ideal. It is always two way isnt it? My idea was to offer constructive critic which is needed for improvement. You are knowledgeble and against Taliban but I hope others in Pakistan as other writer gets realistic and open minded. Every country has good and bad policies and counter views which is good as long as majority is sensible and introspective. This debate somehow became a debate about foreign policy of Iran. Thank you for good debate. Khoda Hafez. I am supporter of region cooperation because for long we depend on western power. Our fighting is giving them business. Misleading western reports and propaganda is used to start suspicion between contries. Let us not quote them selectively and be manipulated by them. Iran has many problems huge problems it is not that we agree to everything our leaders say or do and some thing here are unnatural to our ancient culture but you people think of Iran you can choose what perspective you want depending on you like Iran or not. Same is true of any country like India and Pakistan, it depends what perspective you choose to build your friendship on. We dont hate jew we hate zionism. You wil be surprised that Iranian dont even hate American people but just policy of their leaders and we dont see them as permanent enemy. They also hate us because of many misunderstanding and some thing which we have done. I cant claim that Iran behaved like ideal. It is always two way isnt it? My idea was to offer constructive critic which is needed for improvement. You are knowledgeble and against Taliban but I hope others in Pakistan as other writer gets realistic and open minded. Every country has good and bad policies and counter views which is good as long as majority is sensible and introspective. This debate somehow became a debate about foreign policy of Iran.

Thank you for good debate. Khoda Hafez.

]]> by: Lt. General Ayub Khan http://www.chowrangi.com/what-if-american-forces-attack-us.html#comment-241477 Wed, 25 Mar 2009 09:41:17 +0000 http://www.chowrangi.com/what-if-american-forces-attack-us.html#comment-241477 the indian are stalling/abandoning the IPI 'friendship' pipeline we had been planning for YEARS!!!! Thank God it will still go ahead. i never have done business with indian, and i'm damn proud of that fact. Our external trade with india is currently valued at around 800 million-1 billion dollars. Mostly informal sector related things. I used to be a huge proponent (back in 2007) for indian to invest in our pharmaceutical industry. But now im glad they didnt!!! India hub of counterfeit drugs: EC http://blogs.wsj.com/health/2008/05/14/awash-in-counterfeit-drugs-india-may-pay-more-for-foreign-approval/ http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/News_By_Industry/Healthcare__Biotech/Pharmaceuticals/India_hub_of_counterfeit_drugs_EC/articleshow/2142855.cms Excerpt -- between 5% and 20% of the medicines sold in the country are fake. The figure should be easier to pin down soon, after a six-month government study that will involve undercover investigators picking up 31,000 drug samples around the country. In this era of multinational pharma, the problem is global. The OECD says 75% of fake drugs around the world have origins in India, the Times says. the indian are stalling/abandoning the IPI ‘friendship’ pipeline we had been planning for YEARS!!!! Thank God it will still go ahead.

i never have done business with indian, and i’m damn proud of that fact. Our external trade with india is currently valued at around 800 million-1 billion dollars. Mostly informal sector related things.

I used to be a huge proponent (back in 2007) for indian to invest in our pharmaceutical industry. But now im glad they didnt!!!

India hub of counterfeit drugs: EC

http://blogs.wsj.com/health/2008/05/14/awash-in-counterfeit-drugs-india-may-pay-more-for-foreign-approval/

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/NewsByIndustry/Healthcare_Biotech/Pharmaceuticals/IndiahubofcounterfeitdrugsEC/articleshow/2142855.cms

Excerpt — between 5% and 20% of the medicines sold in the country are fake. The figure should be easier to pin down soon, after a six-month government study that will involve undercover investigators picking up 31,000 drug samples around the country.

In this era of multinational pharma, the problem is global. The OECD says 75% of fake drugs around the world have origins in India, the Times says.

]]> by: Shakir Lakhani http://www.chowrangi.com/what-if-american-forces-attack-us.html#comment-241455 Wed, 25 Mar 2009 07:35:56 +0000 http://www.chowrangi.com/what-if-american-forces-attack-us.html#comment-241455 att:Hormazd, we can't do business with India without suffering losses. In 1997-98, we offered to sell surplus electricity to India (which was costing us $0.065 per unit). India said it would pay us only $0.02 per unit. Similarly, if you go to Bangladesh, Sri Lanka or Nepal, you will find only hatred for India. Indian traders are not reliable, and Indian goods exported to neighbouring countries are inferior. The bottom line is: you can't trust the Indians! att:Hormazd, we can’t do business with India without suffering losses. In 1997-98, we offered to sell surplus electricity to India (which was costing us $0.065 per unit). India said it would pay us only $0.02 per unit. Similarly, if you go to Bangladesh, Sri Lanka or Nepal, you will find only hatred for India. Indian traders are not reliable, and Indian goods exported to neighbouring countries are inferior. The bottom line is: you can’t trust the Indians!

]]> by: Lt. General Ayub Khan http://www.chowrangi.com/what-if-american-forces-attack-us.html#comment-241451 Wed, 25 Mar 2009 07:26:12 +0000 http://www.chowrangi.com/what-if-american-forces-attack-us.html#comment-241451 Salaam Hormazd Joon.....first and foremost --- I would like you to provide a valid source that proves your theory regarding Pakistan's willingness to recognize the zionist state of israel. Because unless you do so, then we will only see it as an absurd assertion. I actually laughed aloud when I read that. Common man be realistic. Our stance on Palestine issue has remain unchanged since the zionist state became recognized in 1948 (al-naqqba) In fact, the only time our leader has ever held a dialogue with israeli/pro-israeli was when Gen (retd.) Musharraf gave a speech to AIPAC lobby group in Washington DC. And even that had NOTHING to do with recognizing 'israel' On a side note, perhaps you didnt see news of the violent anti-israel demonstrations that were held in Lahore, Peshawar, Sialkot, Rawalpindi, Islamabad and other Pakistani cities --when 'israel' was waging yet another armed genocide on un-armed civilians in the Gaza. To get to more relevant issues ---- I see a good future with respect to Pakistani Iranian relations. It is most unfortunate that the indians --under intense pressure from Washington --will no longer be a part of the IPI Pipeline. But we see good opportunities arising -as China has expressed interest in the project. Once the security situation improves, and we overcome the economic issues facing the country --I see nothing but previously un-tapped potential being realized and capitalized. Pakistan also does not take sides on certain issues. We consider Iran as much our ally as we do Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Oman, Syria, Jordan, and several other Arab/Muslim countries. The ties are warm and we have helped eachother a lot. I think countries like Pakistan and Turkey should play an active role to alleviate the environment of mistrust between said countries. I am a nationalist. I personally dont believe that the concept of Khilaafat is realistic. Its VERY ideal. But not realistic in this day and age. But regardless, I see an economic and political union of Middle Eastern/Central/South Asian countries as PARAMOUNT for the sake of promoting unity, development and progression. The only thing stopping us is not-up-to-standard government facilities, weak leaderships, and the threat of extremism. In Pakistan's case, the people we (and the world) considered heros are now attacking us. As I said before, majority of Pakistanis are very moderate minded Muslims. Therefore, taleban cannot naturally prevail in Pakistan. Ask any Pakistani they will tell you the same thing. But it only takes a small handful of misguided souls to commit acts of barbarism ---and thusly distorting our peaceful religion. Our Army has had much success in damaging the morale and designs of the taleban. But a lot of work is to be done. The only way to bring peace to the region is to address the root causes ----- STOPPING the foreign backers/financiers, stopping the black-market drugs/weapons trade, and developing the rural areas where government writ is weak and infrastructure/facilities not so good. I commend the Pakistani NGOs and Civil Society Movements who are working very hard (behind the scenes) to help address and correct some of these issues. I myself come from the Tribal Areas, and I know that the taleban are a humiliation to Pashtuns. They have bastardized our ultra-secular culture and given us bad name. We are proud of our history and proud to be Pakistan. Therefore, we will confront the enemy and whoever helps the enemy. In war and in peace, those who don't fear death never die. Salaam Hormazd Joon…..first and foremost — I would like you to provide a valid source that proves your theory regarding Pakistan’s willingness to recognize the zionist state of israel. Because unless you do so, then we will only see it as an absurd assertion.

I actually laughed aloud when I read that. Common man be realistic. Our stance on Palestine issue has remain unchanged since the zionist state became recognized in 1948 (al-naqqba)

In fact, the only time our leader has ever held a dialogue with israeli/pro-israeli was when Gen (retd.) Musharraf gave a speech to AIPAC lobby group in Washington DC. And even that had NOTHING to do with recognizing ‘israel’

On a side note, perhaps you didnt see news of the violent anti-israel demonstrations that were held in Lahore, Peshawar, Sialkot, Rawalpindi, Islamabad and other Pakistani cities –when ‘israel’ was waging yet another armed genocide on un-armed civilians in the Gaza.

To get to more relevant issues —- I see a good future with respect to Pakistani Iranian relations. It is most unfortunate that the indians –under intense pressure from Washington –will no longer be a part of the IPI Pipeline. But we see good opportunities arising -as China has expressed interest in the project.

Once the security situation improves, and we overcome the economic issues facing the country –I see nothing but previously un-tapped potential being realized and capitalized.

Pakistan also does not take sides on certain issues. We consider Iran as much our ally as we do Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Oman, Syria, Jordan, and several other Arab/Muslim countries. The ties are warm and we have helped eachother a lot. I think countries like Pakistan and Turkey should play an active role to alleviate the environment of mistrust between said countries.

I am a nationalist. I personally dont believe that the concept of Khilaafat is realistic. Its VERY ideal. But not realistic in this day and age. But regardless, I see an economic and political union of Middle Eastern/Central/South Asian countries as PARAMOUNT for the sake of promoting unity, development and progression.

The only thing stopping us is not-up-to-standard government facilities, weak leaderships, and the threat of extremism. In Pakistan’s case, the people we (and the world) considered heros are now attacking us. As I said before, majority of Pakistanis are very moderate minded Muslims. Therefore, taleban cannot naturally prevail in Pakistan. Ask any Pakistani they will tell you the same thing. But it only takes a small handful of misguided souls to commit acts of barbarism —and thusly distorting our peaceful religion.

Our Army has had much success in damaging the morale and designs of the taleban. But a lot of work is to be done. The only way to bring peace to the region is to address the root causes —– STOPPING the foreign backers/financiers, stopping the black-market drugs/weapons trade, and developing the rural areas where government writ is weak and infrastructure/facilities not so good.

I commend the Pakistani NGOs and Civil Society Movements who are working very hard (behind the scenes) to help address and correct some of these issues.

I myself come from the Tribal Areas, and I know that the taleban are a humiliation to Pashtuns. They have bastardized our ultra-secular culture and given us bad name. We are proud of our history and proud to be Pakistan. Therefore, we will confront the enemy and whoever helps the enemy.

In war and in peace, those who don’t fear death never die.

]]> by: Hormazd http://www.chowrangi.com/what-if-american-forces-attack-us.html#comment-241349 Tue, 24 Mar 2009 21:16:16 +0000 http://www.chowrangi.com/what-if-american-forces-attack-us.html#comment-241349 You should be more informed. Pakistan is already in secret talks with Israel and recognition will happen in a few years. I am no supporter for India but I think Iran is the final judge and capable of deciding the reason and effect of their actions and whether to trust, you like to say stabbed in back many times because of that vote but so did Egypt, China and Russia. That vote was trickiest and Pakistan must be glad it did not have to be in that vote. Before that many times India support us. Shah helping Pakistan during a war with india, if you ask me that was one sided from us but we still have good relation with them. Even Iraq is not enemy now. I don't think it is wise to decide friends and enemies based on select portions of politics. Didn't you backstab Taliban under U.S. pressure? You are giving way too much importance to India in your debate. Maybe they create some problem for you and you create for them and that is part of being naughty neighbors to each other but look at what you can do by working together. Friendship is not only at government level but mainly at people level please understand. Why is till last year you were becoming friends and suddenly problem again. Some people in Pakistan are even accusing Iran of making trouble in your part of Baluchestan, they need to grow up. It is time to accept the problem and take some blame and responsibility. You should be more informed. Pakistan is already in secret talks with Israel and recognition will happen in a few years. I am no supporter for India but I think Iran is the final judge and capable of deciding the reason and effect of their actions and whether to trust, you like to say stabbed in back many times because of that vote but so did Egypt, China and Russia. That vote was trickiest and Pakistan must be glad it did not have to be in that vote. Before that many times India support us. Shah helping Pakistan during a war with india, if you ask me that was one sided from us but we still have good relation with them. Even Iraq is not enemy now. I don’t think it is wise to decide friends and enemies based on select portions of politics. Didn’t you backstab Taliban under U.S. pressure? You are giving way too much importance to India in your debate. Maybe they create some problem for you and you create for them and that is part of being naughty neighbors to each other but look at what you can do by working together. Friendship is not only at government level but mainly at people level please understand. Why is till last year you were becoming friends and suddenly problem again. Some people in Pakistan are even accusing Iran of making trouble in your part of Baluchestan, they need to grow up. It is time to accept the problem and take some blame and responsibility.

]]> by: Shakir Lakhani http://www.chowrangi.com/what-if-american-forces-attack-us.html#comment-241330 Tue, 24 Mar 2009 18:04:47 +0000 http://www.chowrangi.com/what-if-american-forces-attack-us.html#comment-241330 @Hormazd: I don't think Pakistan will ever recognize Israel. And Iran is on India's side because Pakistan is on Saudi Arabia's side. India stabbed Iran in the back because it is now a U.S. ally (to get nuclear plants). India will also back out of the gas pipeline from Iran because of its relations with the U.S. If you want to know why we bring India into this discussion, it's because all our problems have been created by India, which is bent upon destablizing the region. We have no problems with any other country in the region or in the world, for that matter. Iran should never trust India. @Hormazd: I don’t think Pakistan will ever recognize Israel. And Iran is on India’s side because Pakistan is on Saudi Arabia’s side. India stabbed Iran in the back because it is now a U.S. ally (to get nuclear plants). India will also back out of the gas pipeline from Iran because of its relations with the U.S. If you want to know why we bring India into this discussion, it’s because all our problems have been created by India, which is bent upon destablizing the region. We have no problems with any other country in the region or in the world, for that matter. Iran should never trust India.

]]> by: Hormazd http://www.chowrangi.com/what-if-american-forces-attack-us.html#comment-241296 Tue, 24 Mar 2009 13:53:08 +0000 http://www.chowrangi.com/what-if-american-forces-attack-us.html#comment-241296 Thanks for your opinion on the Taliban and ground reality, it is a very informative and indepth analysis that you present. As you say this Taliban constantly war maniacs need to be defeated. Iran from time of Nader Shah Afshar has fought off these nuisance out of Iran. Though I still believe that Iranian nuclear program is peaceful, politics is played at many levels and there are not absolute truth and false in it. Most Iranians blame Shah for signing the NPT that puts us into this position of having to fight for what should been a right. I respect Pakistan for refusing to sign this one sided treaty. About India, I don't know why it has to even be part of the debate when we talk about improvement of Pakistan. I try to keep it out and people keep bringing it trying to convince me. Iran is a friendly nation to neighbors and we don't like to take sides. Again was Shah who sided with Pakistan during a war with India supplying free fuel and becoming part of war, wasn't that big risk we took by taking side? but after the revolution this has been corrected and we are again balanced with both. India voted against Iran on bad report by IAEA to report to UNSC and we made clear to India that Iran did not like that, but in general that does not become enemy because relations are built over hundreds of years not one day. I don't like the with us or against us doctrine of Bush. Remember our countries keep fighting to give the west easy to manipulate us. Iran is a friend of Pakistan and will help you always, please don't think the policy on Kashmir is because Pakistan is enemy for us. Not at all. Most Iranians are very nice people if you have visited. We are peaceful and don't attack anyone. Many of us don't want this involvment in Arab cause because it is difficult for Iran and U.S. and Saudi funded friends take every chance to slander us as bad people. It is known that Pakistan is having secret talks with Israel and will finally recognize it as legal, should that make you Iran's enemy? We have to be more mature than arguing like children and understand we have bigger things to reach. Thanks for your opinion on the Taliban and ground reality, it is a very informative and indepth analysis that you present. As you say this Taliban constantly war maniacs need to be defeated. Iran from time of Nader Shah Afshar has fought off these nuisance out of Iran. Though I still believe that Iranian nuclear program is peaceful, politics is played at many levels and there are not absolute truth and false in it. Most Iranians blame Shah for signing the NPT that puts us into this position of having to fight for what should been a right. I respect Pakistan for refusing to sign this one sided treaty. About India, I don’t know why it has to even be part of the debate when we talk about improvement of Pakistan. I try to keep it out and people keep bringing it trying to convince me. Iran is a friendly nation to neighbors and we don’t like to take sides. Again was Shah who sided with Pakistan during a war with India supplying free fuel and becoming part of war, wasn’t that big risk we took by taking side? but after the revolution this has been corrected and we are again balanced with both. India voted against Iran on bad report by IAEA to report to UNSC and we made clear to India that Iran did not like that, but in general that does not become enemy because relations are built over hundreds of years not one day. I don’t like the with us or against us doctrine of Bush. Remember our countries keep fighting to give the west easy to manipulate us. Iran is a friend of Pakistan and will help you always, please don’t think the policy on Kashmir is because Pakistan is enemy for us. Not at all. Most Iranians are very nice people if you have visited. We are peaceful and don’t attack anyone. Many of us don’t want this involvment in Arab cause because it is difficult for Iran and U.S. and Saudi funded friends take every chance to slander us as bad people. It is known that Pakistan is having secret talks with Israel and will finally recognize it as legal, should that make you Iran’s enemy? We have to be more mature than arguing like children and understand we have bigger things to reach.

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