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August 1st, 2008 00:25 GMT
So why do you tell people to recite certain words three to four hundred times to rid themselves of the effects of black magic? Why don’t you simply tell them to offer the five compulsory prayers and to ask Allah in every prayer to save themselves from jinns and black magic?
August 1st, 2008 06:15 GMT
Shakir, people like Yusha do not see their own hypocrisy. I have given answers to his previous nonsensical posts about “grave-worship” and “bid’a” and he has not the honour or courage to respond, except with rubbish and evading the points entirely under cries of “your a hypocrite, cryingwaaaaaa!, stop posting please”
LOOOOOOL!
August 1st, 2008 06:35 GMT
People should know, when someone uses the term “grave-worship”, that person is either ignorant, or a human shaitan, sowing discord among muslims deliberately. Yusha is the latter, since it has been explained to him by myself and others MULTIPLE times, that the term “grave-worship” is misleading, since no one worships graves, nor does anyone think that the one in the grave is the one actually giving. Yet he continues to use this term, whose only purpose is to mislead people.
People who do visit the graves of pious ones happen to be the majority in the WHOLE MUSLIM WORLD, NOT JUST PAKISTAN. RasulAllah SAW said, “my ummah will never agree on a mistake” This hadith is the basis of the Sharia principle of “Ijma”. So, can someone explain how it is that 65-70% of Pakistan’s population has belief in a “mistake/bida/shirk”? (Deobandi make up only about 15%, mostly in the pashtun areas, and those only due to wahhabi money during the jihad times. They are “simple” deobandis, and yes, even they go to the graves of holy people. Across the border in afghainstan, pashtuns there aren’t deobandi at all, by and large) Also, majority of the rest of the muslim world also do this thing that the human shayateen like Yusha call “grave-worship”, millions upon millions of muslims from morrocco to Egypt to nigeria to yemen to syria, to indonesia.
The fact remains, when an idiot like Yusha asks rhetorically, “Should a person not ask Allah for his/her needs?” One should answer “you idiot, who says not to ask Allah? We do ask Him, directly, everyday in our regular duas, but when we visit the holy darbar of a friend of Allah’s, we ask Allah for our needs, thru the wasila of this holy person thereby increasing likelihood of acceptance of our dua”. (going to visit the graves of holy people is sunnah, (not to mention common sense) and firmly established religious practice, regardless of what ignoramusses like Yusha wish. RasulAllah SAW used to visit the grave of his uncle, Hazrat Hamza RA regularly, as did his blessed daughter Fatima RA. one among many examples).
Regarding making sajda to the grave, and tawaf around the grave, this is something over which there is disagreement within, with those who do it saying it is sajda of love, and there are many types of sajdas, and also if doing sajda to someone or something automatically means you are worshipping that someone or something, then what you are saying is that Allah SWT commanded the angels to commit shirk by making sajda to Adam AS (NAUZUBILLAH MIN THAALIK) . Obviously, the act of doing sajda doesn’t automatically mean worship, but pea-brained losers like Yusah can’t seem to get past their egos to look at the issue objectively.
When someone does sajda to the kabaa directly, they must be worshipping the brick and stone of the kabaa right??? LOL Truly, deobandis make the rest of us laugh with their idiotic “logic”. RasulAllah SAW said “Actions are but intentions”. You go to a darbar and you tell the people “you are worshipping this grave?” and they will probably lynch you on the spot. If they say they aren’t “worshipping the grave”, then who is an idiot like Yusha sitting at his computer, to say that is what they are doing?
Yusha says: “A person does not become a Muslim simply by worshiping Allah. To be a Muslim a person has to worship Allah ONLY”
No one of those people worship anyone but Allah. To suggest that the followers of Abdul Qadir Jilani RA (for example) are mushriks, what are you saying about Abdul Qadir Jilani RA himself then? What are you saying about his teachings? Same for Hazarat Sultan Bahu RA, Hazrat Lal Shah Baz Qalandar RA, etc etc etc.
August 3rd, 2008 19:58 GMT
Mr Lakhani,
Doing Zikr of Allah for protection and cure is mentioned is many ahadith. It is a source of sawab and it creates noor. I’m sure you know that.
September 8th, 2008 20:54 GMT
When sahabah asked Prophet Mohammad to do sajdah to him, he refused saying that sajdah is for Allah alone. So, by what stretch of imagination can a person do sajdah to a grave and call it a sajdah of love. If the so called sajdah of love is allowed woudn’t Prophet Mohammad allow it. Secondly, no one does sajdah to the kabah. They do sajdah in the direction of the qiblah.
Prophet Mohammad forbade shirk in the severest manner. He forbade prayer towards a grave, he forbade making oath in the name of anyone other than Allah, he forbade building mosques over tombs and graves, he ordered the destruction of statues and the levelling of graves that were raised.
Books of hadith are full of duas that a person can ask Allah from (directly). A person can also pray salatul hajah and/or tahajjud.
Yes, people worship the grave directly. Many people all over the world including educated people ask the dead saint directly for their needs. Followers of abdul qadir jilani tell us that they never asked anyone for their need except abdul qadir jilani (astaghfirullah and nauzubillah).
September 17th, 2008 07:28 GMT
MashAllah Mohammad Yusha you are right this is not islam this is shirk to ask a dead person for anything as Allah has told in quran and Mohammad(P.B.U.H) in hadees that a person should not ask anything from any other than his creator Allah. Ppl worship graves cry infront of them as Allah has himself forbidden to cry over a dead body.
Prophet (PBUH) said:
“Do not sit on graves and do not pray facing them.”(Muslim H-972), Narrator Abu Marthad Al-Ghanawi.
Jundub Ibn ‘Abdullaah al-Bajalee said that he heard Prophet (PBUH) said: five days before he died:
“Verily those before you took the graves of their Prophets and righteous people as places of worship, so do not take the graves as places of worship. Indeed I forbid you from this!” (Muslim 2/67-68)
Abu Hurayrah (R.A) says that the Messenger of Allâh (PBUH) said: “O Allâh, do not turn my grave into an idol. May the curse of Allâh be upon those who take the graves of their Prophets as places of worship”
(Ahmad H-7352)
When our Prophet (PBUH) claims that he doesn’t know the unseen(Ghaib), he doesn’t have the treasures of Allâh, Don’t take my grave as idol worship. Then how could we attribute such things to saints in graves and believe in these listed below:
They listen (dead) to us inside the earth 7 feet depth.
They understand the language whatever you speak English, Urdu, Hindi, Gujrati, Maharathi, etc when one invoke to them to seek help.
They see us from the grave and reply us.
They help us in our afflictions, and solve our problems.
They grant us treasures, and bounties etc. These are the false claims made by “grave worshippers”, they deceive the innocent Ummah of Islam, fill their stomach with fire of what they earn by.They erect huge structures (Mazars), with decorations and fancies, that none could remember death when one who goes there, only we loose our Iman (believe).
hope all this will help your dirty minds muslim grave worshippers
may Allah forgive u.
take care
September 18th, 2008 09:11 GMT
Now we have a president and a prime minister who both pray at graves!